Semi-Retired and Fully Booked: How Clifton Built a Thriving Cash-Pay Practice Over Decades

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Here is a scenario that plays out more often than people admit: a therapist with decades of experience, a full caseload, deep expertise, and real results for clients is essentially invisible online. Their website is outdated or nonexistent. They are not ranking anywhere. The people who need them cannot find them. And all of that skill, all of those years, all of that hard-won clinical wisdom, goes underutilized because the business side never quite caught up to the clinical side.

That is not a character flaw. It is a system problem, and it is fixable at any age, at any stage.

Clifton is an LCSW, LPC, and LMFT with supervision status, licensed in all three in San Antonio, Texas. He started his clinical career before any of those licenses existed, got grandfathered into several of them, built a group practice, bought a building with two colleagues, navigated the HMO takeover, left insurance panels, survived COVID, and came out of the pandemic with his three highest-earning years ever. He also published books on narcissistic personality disorder, learned SEO in his seventies, moved fully online, and is now semi-retired on his own terms doing supervision and coaching. His website currently ranks on the first page of Google in San Antonio for psychotherapy.

What follows are the lessons we pulled from his story. They are not linear, they are not tidy, and they are absolutely worth your time.

Lesson 1: You Do Not Need a Perfect Entry Point. You Need a Way In

Clifton missed the Yellow Pages deadline. Literally. He came to San Antonio ready to hang a shingle, ready to be in private practice, and the cutoff for the phone book listing had already passed. In the eighties, the Yellow Pages were not a nice-to-have; they were one of two viable ways to market a therapy practice. The other was physically showing up and introducing yourself to referral sources. Without the directory listing and without yet being known in the community, private practice was not going to work, at least not yet.

So he went to work in a psychiatric hospital instead. And what looked like a detour turned out to be an extended education in how the mental health system actually functions, who the gatekeepers are, how billing works, what psychiatrists and psychologists and master's-level clinicians each do and how they interact. He rose to director of all the counseling staff. He got his LPC and LMFT funded through the hospital's training budget. He built relationships with psychiatrists, with community organizations, and with other therapists.

The moment that catalyzed his actual move into private practice was not a business plan. It was a billing slip. He was walking ten group therapy billing slips to the accounting office and overheard two clerks confirm that the charge per group hour was $88. He was holding $880 worth of billing in his hand and making $40 an hour. That math did the motivating. He left and opened his practice, but this time he walked in with referral sources, clinical credibility, and a clear picture of how the business worked.

The takeaway: The detour is often the education. If the front door is not open, the side door you take instead might give you something you could not have gotten otherwise. Do not confuse a delayed start with a failed start.

Transcript
Kelly Higdon (00:00) Welcome back to the podcast. This is Kelly Higdon and today I'm joined with Clifton Fuller, who is an LCSW, an LPC, an MFT, licensed in all three ways, plus supervisor status in San Antonio, Texas. And while Clifton is semi-retired, we're going to talk a little bit about what semi-retired means for Clifton. But we're also gonna explore the journey of like becoming a therapist in the eighties to now and what that has looked like to be in private practice. Welcome Clifton. Clifton Fuller (00:39) thank you. I'm so happy to be with you. Kelly Higdon (00:42) I'm excited to share your story with everybody. Well, let's go all the way back. Why private practice? Clifton Fuller (00:52) I got a degree in psychology in 1973 from Abilene Christian University and I didn't pursue my masters at that time. And I had grown up in a childcare institution in the hill country of Texas. And I went back to that institution and there I worked as the director of social services. Now things were really changing in the state of Texas and they began to regulate these programs. They were regulated by the Department of Social Work here in Texas. And so they hired me to come and take care of all of the charting, the regulations, and I was basically the interface with the school and with the Department of Social Work here in Texas. Kelly Higdon (01:32) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (01:47) And so, but it was a childcare model that had not changed significantly since I went there in 1963. And they just weren't up with the times. And so I decided to go back to school and get my master's degree in marriage and family therapy, which was new. And oddly enough, it was the first master's program in the state of Texas to be certified by MMFT. Kelly Higdon (01:56) Wow. Hmm. Wow. Clifton Fuller (02:15) But when I was working at the childcare institution, the state of Texas began to license social workers and because I was doing the work of a social worker and I had three years experience, I was able to grandfather in as a social work associate. Now when I got my MMFT degree, I was able to upgrade that to a certified social worker. And eventually I sat and became a Kelly Higdon (02:30) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (02:45) licensed social worker, able to go into private practice. But by that time I was working in psych hospitals, which I began about 19, I came to town and hung a shingle. Kelly Higdon (02:48) Mm-hmm. Mmm. You Clifton Fuller (03:01) And the reason I left the child care institution is because I wanted to make changes so that they would incorporate family therapy, connection with people out in the field so we could refer families to get some help. And I was a systems-trained therapist, and I just knew that the way to help children was to help the whole family. Kelly Higdon (03:18) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (03:28) Well, they were resistant to that change and I quickly left and came to town to go into private practice. Now, back then the only way to market was either physically show up somewhere and introduce yourself or to be in the Yellow Pages and I missed the Yellow Pages. Kelly Higdon (03:33) Yeah. Right. You miss him? Clifton Fuller (03:52) So I didn't get in the Yellow Pages that year and I just had no way to survive. Yes, yes. So I began to work in psychiatric hospitals and I really did well. I was able to eventually become the... Kelly Higdon (03:55) No! you missed like the deadline to get your information and I see. You Clifton Fuller (04:18) director of all the counseling in the, I was in charge of all the therapists in the psych hospital where I worked. Now, because I was working and they were paying for all my training, I was able to get licensed as a, licensed professional counselor, licensed marriage and family therapist, and a licensed clinical social worker, and to achieve supervision status so that I could supervise all of the therapists in a psych hospital. Kelly Higdon (04:41) huh. So were you working in the psych hospital and you had your practice? Clifton Fuller (04:52) No, at that time I was just working with a hospital. One day I walked into the, I was coming into the nurses station and they asked me if I would take, I'd just done a group with 10 people and they had billing slips and they said, would you take this to the accounting office? I said, sure. Now as I walked in the accounting office, I had 10 billing slips to give them and one clerk asked another, how much do we charge for an hour of group therapy? And she said $88. Now I was holding bills for $880 in my hand and I was making about 40 an hour. And I decided, man, I gotta get into that business. Kelly Higdon (05:43) Yeah. Clifton Fuller (05:44) And so I went into private practice. But this time I knew how the system worked. Kelly Higdon (05:46) I see. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (05:51) Back then, you still advertise the Yellow Pages, but by that time I knew psychiatrists, knew other therapists, I knew organizations who needed help. They would refer to me as a man in private practice because they knew me from the hospital work. Kelly Higdon (05:56) Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're connected in the community. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (06:12) Now I had also worked in such a variety of settings and I realize now that this was more of a mistake than a strength, but I felt comfortable dealing with literally all ages and very serious mental health issues. I could work with bipolar people or schizophrenics or personality disorders. Kelly Higdon (06:26) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (06:35) And so when I went into private practice, we were able to do very well. In fact, I made about 50 % more that year, the first year in private practice. Kelly Higdon (06:46) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (06:50) I was heavily into insurance. San Antonio is a military town. I got into the Champus network and Blue Cross Blue Shield and several others. And I did really, really well. In fact, I was the highest Champus provider in the entire city. But then HMOs came in. Kelly Higdon (07:12) Yeah. Mmm. Mmm. Clifton Fuller (07:16) Now I decided not to go with HMOs because they paid less and I thought they would go away but every year I lost about 10 % a year and you can only do that for 10 years. But after about three years HMOs fell out of favor and but. Kelly Higdon (07:27) Yeah, that's true. Good math. Clifton Fuller (07:38) Champus changed their provider and they began to be really hard, difficult to work with. They began to deny claims that they originally denied. They would want the money back and I decided I would get out of Champus. And eventually we decided that we would just get out of insurance altogether. Kelly Higdon (07:49) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (08:05) And so we began to leave the panels. And of course, if you had insurance, we would file insurance for you. But like I say, you were responsible for your bill. And that really helped us a lot. But we an inordinate amount of time arguing with insurance companies. Kelly Higdon (08:19) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (08:31) And so at one, eventually we decided that we would let people file for themselves and it freed up an awful lot of time. Now again, up until the, our practice grew and grew and grew, we rented offices for several years and then we went together with two other therapists and we bought a building. Kelly Higdon (08:38) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (08:58) And that way we control our cost Because of course when you were renting they they had no incentive to control cost you you pay 10 % more every year and then your your rights went up because maintenance and and Kelly Higdon (09:01) Mm-hmm. it. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (09:15) taxes. So we, so you had to triple net. So, uh, so we did, uh, we did really well. We controlled, we controlled everything. Uh, uh, we did get in on, uh, having a website relatively early. Uh, my wife, uh, uh, learned how to work with computers and to do all that. And so everything, everything, uh, rolled around, uh, uh, really well for, for several years. And then COVID came. Kelly Higdon (09:16) And greed. And greed. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (09:45) Now here in the state of Texas, the governor closed all the offices, they made us go home and we thought that would be a month or two. But in a real stroke of luck, you know, we had to do continuing education every year and again, all of my licenses have different requirements for that to keep up with. Kelly Higdon (09:55) Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's a lot to keep up with, Clifton Fuller (10:10) But I found a training to do computer care. And so although I was not, I had no intention of actually using it, but I did get trained to use the computer. And so when COVID came, here I was ready. Now the problem was our old website just wasn't working like it should. Kelly Higdon (10:18) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (10:40) And so we then began to look for resources so that we could market better. And that's when we ran into you. Yes, yes. And the training was wonderful. Listen, we loved it. We... Kelly Higdon (10:50) Yeah, that's how we met. I remember when we met actually. Yeah, I do. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (11:09) Learned how to do the website. We had the trigger words. had all the stuff we needed to do. And again, it was a fabulous success. We just were able to connect. And the COVID years were the three highest producing years I had in my entire practice. Kelly Higdon (11:14) Yeah, your keywords. Yeah. Yeah, I think it is for a lot of clinicians. was, you know, but I think for you too, your visibility of being, for those that are listening, like Clifton's website ranks on the first page of Google in San Antonio for psychotherapy. And so that really did make a difference in terms of how you navigated that influx. A lot of it came from your own effort, for sure. Clifton Fuller (11:46) Yes. Right, right. And the fact that we were working from home, but we were paying for an office. And so we polled our clients. And when COVID was over, do you want to go back to the office or do want to keep doing this online? they overwhelmingly said they would rather continue to get therapy online. Kelly Higdon (12:13) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (12:28) So we did sell our offices and then, so now we do this all online. We haven't, like I say, we haven't taken insurance for quite some time. We did go up on our rates over time, which we were tickled to do. Kelly Higdon (12:41) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You Clifton Fuller (12:46) And when we went through your training, of course, you wisely suggested that, why don't you target your marketing to the people you want to see? Now, if you do that, if you love your job, it's not work. And so I don't have to see my clients. I get to see my clients. Kelly Higdon (12:58) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love that. Clifton Fuller (13:10) And it's just, like I say, it's really helped us to target, to do the things that you're comfortable doing that you like to do. And so we were tickled with that. now, along the way, because I'd worked in psychiatric facilities and had worked with personality disorders, Kelly Higdon (13:22) Yeah. Clifton Fuller (13:35) I had a family whose daughter had been in a relationship with a narcissist and they brought her to me. She was practically, well, she was skin and bones. She was really, really confused. so... Kelly Higdon (13:49) Hmm. Hmm. Clifton Fuller (13:57) I was helping the family and I was telling them, well what happened was your daughter ran into a narcissistic personality disorder. And I let them know how personality disorders tend to fall in love at first sight. They're incredibly loving and caring and they're all over their... Kelly Higdon (14:06) Yeah. Love you. Love you. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (14:17) and butter wouldn't melt in your mouth and you're the smartest, most beautiful, funniest girl I ever met. And then over time, they will get more and more controlling and more and more controlling and they love you until they hate you. And so this young woman thought she just married Prince Charming and everything got really, really bad. These were... Kelly Higdon (14:33) Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (14:46) conservative Christian people, she found out that the man was in fact addicted to pornography, he was cheating on her, all those terrible things. And so they were able to rescue her, in fact they just basically kidnapped their daughter and brought her to San Antonio. And while I was explaining all this to the family, they said, well, Kelly Higdon (14:56) Ooh. Clifton Fuller (15:13) how would anyone know any of this stuff? And I said, therapists know all this stuff, know about narcissists. They said, well, you've got to write a book. You've got to tell people about this. I said, I'm dyslexic. I don't read books and I don't write books. However, my wife, being a English major and Kelly Higdon (15:16) good. Mm-hmm. Mmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (15:43) teacher was able to help me get the book written and so we wrote a we wrote a book for the partners of narcissistic personality disorders now we've we've revised it we actually have a couple of books out to help people deal with with the issues that they're going to face and and so we Kelly Higdon (15:55) Hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (16:11) We sell that on Amazon and they take care of all the paperwork. Kelly Higdon (16:13) Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's great. They print it, right? Print on demand and all of that. You know what I love Clifton is that, you know, a lot of times when people come on this podcast, they're within maybe the first five, 10, maybe 15 years of practice. And I think what's beautiful about your stories for people to hear the iterations over decades of how much things can change. Clifton Fuller (16:21) Yes, yes. Kelly Higdon (16:46) Most definitely, the practice you have today looks nothing like what you started with. And there was multiple pivots along the way. Yeah, when you think about the adaptability, what helped you adapt or make those changes? Because I think sometimes we can get really set in our ways with what we created, right? Of like, this is the way I've always done practice. So what has helped you know when to pivot? Clifton Fuller (16:55) Yes, yes. Kelly Higdon (17:16) adjust and make changes and kind of embrace that evolution. Clifton Fuller (17:25) I have to say that being dyslexic is probably a part of that, that you look at things differently. Now, the other thing was my training in marriage and family therapy. Marriage and family therapy, systems theory, tries to get you to see patterns. Kelly Higdon (17:31) Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yes. Clifton Fuller (17:48) What are the patterns? Now, if you can see the patterns, then you can anticipate what's gonna happen next. And I just, apparently, either due to that training and the fact that I just think a little differently than other people, that I sell change is what I tell my clients. Kelly Higdon (17:56) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (18:16) And like you said, the world has certainly changed a lot since I got into this business. Now, I literally worked in the field before there was any licensing at all. That's why I got in on the ground floor. And so here in the state of Texas, I was grandfathered into being a LMFT because I had a master's degree and I'd been working in the field for several years. Kelly Higdon (18:24) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (18:45) Like I said, did the work of a social worker and I got that license, but no one can do that anymore. All of that's gone. Right. Yes. Yes. Right. Kelly Higdon (18:52) Yeah, right. The legacy, like having legacy into other. We had it in California actually when they added a new licensure type for a little bit, but it's not very common. And I think, you know, so when did you go into semi-retirement would you say? Clifton Fuller (19:13) we just literally we just started at this year. And so, well, we cut down the number of hours that we see clients and spend more time. We have grandchildren who are now in college and in two different colleges and we spend time, we travel more and we get involved. But it's a... Kelly Higdon (19:16) What does that look like for you? Clifton Fuller (19:39) But I am approached by young therapists and asked me, you know, how I got to where I was. And I said, don't ask me that because you can't do that. And the most important thing when I talk to someone who is aspiring to be a therapist is to tell them that in this field you don't practice by education, you practice by your licensing. And so you need to look, licensed professional counselors are not social workers. Kelly Higdon (19:55) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (20:16) And social workers are not trained basically to be a therapist. You have to do that after you get your master's degree. Right, right. Yeah, and you can take a therapy track, but again, just the idea is you have to figure out the kind of work you want to do and then get the license that fits that. Kelly Higdon (20:25) It depends on your program, right? Thank Yeah. Clifton Fuller (20:40) Now, I love being a licensed marriage and family therapist, but through the years, I had to learn to use a variety of approaches, and then in supervising different therapists, I had to learn again what the requirements were for their licensure and their supervision. And so, but... Kelly Higdon (20:46) Hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (21:07) I would, if I had to do it over again, the best license to have at the time was a social work license. Because at the time, the federal government would only recognize social workers to do their therapy. Kelly Higdon (21:13) Mm-hmm. Woohoo. Yeah. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (21:29) So you have to look at how things are changing. And I think probably in the state of Texas, eventually, instead of having three different boards, they will probably consolidate that and have one license. And so you have to keep up with how the business of being a therapist goes. Kelly Higdon (21:44) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (21:54) Now, I would also do, as you suggested, would tell them to figure out the kind of people you want to work with. Now, that takes some time. And you may do. Kelly Higdon (22:03) Well, it does. It does. Especially when you've worked with a lot of variety and you've enjoyed a variety of people. Clifton Fuller (22:12) Right, right. And some people will do well with children, some people can't stand teenagers, you just really have to find your niche. And again, don't try to be all things to all people. And so it's great to find your lane and to get in it and to stay sharp. Now gotta get the training you need. Kelly Higdon (22:20) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (22:39) The other thing is, is don't get isolated. Another mistake I made early was that I was so busy and I had my head down that I wasn't getting around. And you had to keep interacting with other therapists. You have to, it helps for referral sources, but it also helps you to stay up with what's going on. And so, Kelly Higdon (22:52) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (23:09) just suggested that they... decide the lane they want to get in, the people they want to work with, and be ready to change. Because over time, Kelly Higdon (23:15) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (23:22) you know, work, I enjoy working with families, but in fact, very few families show up. Most people are individuals. I see some couples. But even as a marriage and family therapist and marketing that I work with families, do, meet very few families. And so you had to have the skills to then do the individual therapy and you had to have a variety of... Kelly Higdon (23:29) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (23:53) techniques to use and so you just need a toolbox and you need to be able to apply them. Kelly Higdon (23:54) you Mm-hmm. I love that. How do you feel about the field and the future? Clifton Fuller (24:06) I believe that the longer we go, like I say, because we're all divided up into different genres, which made sense to me at the time that systems therapists don't... practice or use the same techniques that other therapists do. But in terms of regulating therapy, we have the same ethical considerations. And so that a unified license would be the smart way to go and be less complicated for everybody. Kelly Higdon (24:33) Okay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (24:55) And that I and so I think I think what we're going to do is see see a merging so that We don't we don't all have to have our separate little board and be separated I You know the longer we go, of course the The more the more we find out, you know the when I started doing marriage and family therapy Kelly Higdon (25:01) Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (25:23) I was not taught to diagnose people. didn't want to label anybody. I was taught the double-bind theory of schizophrenia, which is wrong. Kelly Higdon (25:26) Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was taught that. Clifton Fuller (25:38) The double-bind theory of schizophrenia is really the double-bind theory of personality disorders and when a personality disorder gets overwhelmed he looks crazy. Now when they were coming up with that theory you either had neurotic, you were either neurotic, psychotic or normal. Kelly Higdon (25:45) Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, that comes from some of the analysis, right? Like the psychoanalysis world, Clifton Fuller (26:01) Yeah, and so, but I really, it's much more scientific. It's been proven. I used to do EMDR when it was considered crazy. Now it's a tried and true and effective method. know, they're just things that over time things, our field is really progressing. Kelly Higdon (26:14) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think that there's something to be said in that too. Some people are in their practices and what would be considered kind of on the fringe. EMDR used to be on the fringe. Some people still think it is. But you know what I'm saying? There are always people that are going to have to lead for change and lead for the evolution of our field. And it is uncomfortable. But if you are a person that is in practice and you see a way of working with people that's still within your ethics, Clifton Fuller (26:39) Yes. Kelly Higdon (26:59) but that maybe blends approaches or you find some other technique, it's uncomfortable because no one else around you is doing it. But you have to kind of trust and track those outcomes to know, hey, this is actually working. And so I love the fact that you were doing something before it was popular. I think that that happens a lot. it's something that I think that's how it's going to change. This is what will evoke change for us and growth as a field, for sure. When you. Clifton Fuller (27:35) One thing I would say is, and this is my hope, when I got my master's degree in marriage and family therapy, we had no mention, they did not even mention the treatment of drug and alcohol cases. And I found out that the, Kelly Higdon (27:55) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (28:03) LPC track at Evelyn Christian where I was invited to come be on a review board that they weren't including any classes in drug and alcohol treatment. No knowledge of it, not even a cursory knowledge. Kelly Higdon (28:17) Mm. Mm. Clifton Fuller (28:23) And it is certainly something that comes up for all of us as therapists. You just have to get, you have to have some awareness, some knowledge of that and what's going on. Kelly Higdon (28:28) Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (28:36) Because I worked in psychiatric facilities, I had a really broad knowledge of how the whole system works. Because in the mental health field, you have psychiatrists in there at the top of the heap, then you have PhD psychologists, and then you have a therapist. And what I discovered is if a psychiatrist said you were depressed, well, you were depressed till another psychiatrist said you weren't. Kelly Higdon (28:42) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. In some opinions. Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (29:04) And that the psychotherapist or the master's level therapist on the unit was actually dealing with these people, we need to understand how the whole system works. And how medications can be, I say, can be effective and to understand a broader view of the entire field. Because again, Kelly Higdon (29:17) Yeah. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (29:32) is keeping up with the rest of the mental health field is really important. Kelly Higdon (29:37) Yeah. When I want to talk a little bit about age, if that's okay with you, because sometimes people come to us that are in the later half of their life and they're wondering, I too old to learn how to do these things and to make change? What do you say to that? If to someone who's older and wants to do private practice. Clifton Fuller (29:44) Sure. I would really recommend it. I'm tickled to say this. When my hair turned gray, I began to look like I was wise. Kelly Higdon (30:14) Mm-hmm. Wee Clifton Fuller (30:20) And that in fact, I can relate certainly to younger people. But in fact, my cohort, now baby boomers are turning 70 at probably a million a day. And there are certainly, we have, and these are the people frankly that can afford us. Kelly Higdon (30:41) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (30:50) And they have all the issues and all the difficulties and some more often we have a lot of grieving we're having to do because we're losing our ability to work or to do the things that we used to do. We're losing our health. We have complicated issues with families. And so... Kelly Higdon (30:58) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Clifton Fuller (31:13) think being older and in the field has always been a help for me. And I never suffered for lack of clients, someone telling me that I was too old. Kelly Higdon (31:20) Mm-hmm. But I mean, there was some like you had to learn some new technology. The fact that just in the past couple of years, you've learned to do SEO, you and your wife have learned to do SEO and marketing and niching. And I think you're a testament to like ages doesn't matter here that you can learn new things and adapt and learn new skills of running a business for sure. Clifton Fuller (31:36) Sure. Yes. And again, as therapists, like I say, we sell change and if we're just gonna sit here and stay the same, then the world will go on without us. Now listen, we're all mandated that we have to educate ourselves, that we're supposed to keep up with what's going on. Kelly Higdon (32:03) Yeah. Yeah. Clifton Fuller (32:16) And so when I did my CEUs, I would try to look and see what's new. I would try to figure out what's on the edge. And so yeah, we need not be left behind. We don't need to get stuck. And we need to renew, listen, we need to renew our bigger. Now we gotta stay up with the times. Kelly Higdon (32:23) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I love that. I love that. I love that. Zephtin, it's such a pleasure to hear your story and to share it. mean, all the evolutions of your practice, the book, selling a building, you know, announced, am I retired and still doing what you love, but more time for family. What is the future hold for you, do you think? Clifton Fuller (33:03) Well, I began doing online supervision. Of course, because I have a supervisory status, I can do supervision for people. I've gotten into a coaching aspect where you have to be very careful to be a psychotherapist and a coach. You have to have two very separate. Kelly Higdon (33:06) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes. Clifton Fuller (33:33) businesses. So you don't mix them. But there are healthy people out there who would benefit from being able to communicate better. And so I'm a communications coach. I'm a relationship coach and I help people who aren't sick. And again, it's a very different population. And so it's much more goal oriented. Kelly Higdon (33:45) Thank you. Mm-hmm. You're right. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (34:02) It's much more practical in helping people out. There's shorter term kind of stuff to do and it'll keep you hopping, I'll tell you. Now we are writing books. My wife has written several gratitude journals. Kelly Higdon (34:04) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's great. Hmm. Clifton Fuller (34:28) I wrote a book basically for religious conservatives about narcissists and then I wrote a second book for people for whom religious context is not all that helpful. Now, when I run into clients who have religious beliefs, I try to help them use those beliefs to improve their life. Kelly Higdon (34:44) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (34:56) Now it's supposed to be a value. Now some of us were in religions that basically led to guilt and guilt is not in fact worth the dime. And you gotta help people like say see the... Kelly Higdon (35:10) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Clifton Fuller (35:19) see the bright side of life. And so we're doing more of that, like say with our gratitude stuff, we're trying to get people to learn how to be happier. Kelly Higdon (35:21) Mmm. I love that. Well, thank you, Clifton, for being here. If you want to check out Clifton, you can go to cliftonfuller.com and there will have links in the show notes. And I hope that this inspires you. So if you're starting a practice, hearing that there's many iterations, you have a lifetime of building and changing and adapting and growing. And it's not about getting it perfect the first time because the system around you is going to change as well. and you wanna adapt to it. So thank you for being here, Clifton. Clifton Fuller (36:06) Well, I want to tell everybody that you are an excellent resource. And if they haven't come to your boot camp, if they haven't attended your seminars, that I've been doing this a long time and you were the best source I've ever had. I need you know that and listen, if you're the best therapist in five states and no one knows where you're at, you're not helping yourself a lick. They gotta find you and you help people get found. Kelly Higdon (36:10) Thank you. Thanks Clifton. That is true. Not get found. Clifton Fuller (36:35) Now, and it's just great. And you were a great help to me, and I've been doing this a while. And we just are thrilled with you guys, and we love your seminars. And we love the two of you, by the way. So hang in there. We just want to encourage you. This was just a great thing, and I appreciate the opportunity to share it. Kelly Higdon (36:42) appreciate you, Clifton. thank you. All right. We appreciate you and Jeannie. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks, Listan. All right, until next time.

Lesson 2: Insurance Will Change the Rules on You. Plan for It

Clifton built a thriving insurance-based practice. He was the highest Champus provider in all of San Antonio. He was in-network with Blue Cross Blue Shield and several others. Business was good. Then HMOs arrived and started paying less. He made a calculated bet that HMOs would go away, and technically, he was not wrong; they did fall out of favor within a few years. But the damage was already done in a different direction: Champus changed its provider network, started denying claims retroactively, and began demanding money back on claims they had already processed.

That last part is worth sitting with for a second. Claims that had been approved, paid, and closed were suddenly contested. Clifton was spending an enormous amount of time, his time and his staff's time, arguing with insurance companies about money they had already agreed he was owed. The administrative burden alone was a form of income erosion that did not show up as a line item in anyone's business plan.

So he made the call to leave the panels. He did not do it overnight. The practice transitioned to a model where they would still file for clients who had insurance, but the client was responsible for the bill. Eventually, they moved to a fully out-of-insurance model and let clients file for themselves if they wanted reimbursement. Each step freed up time and reduced the adversarial back-and-forth with payers. His income did not collapse. It grew.

This is not an abstract critique. Insurance companies deny medically necessary care, claw back payments after the fact, and keep reimbursement rates flat while the cost of running a practice climbs every year. Clifton lived that particular reality for years before he made the business decision to exit it. He is not the only one.

The takeaway:Insurance panels are not a business foundation; they are a dependency. When the terms change and they will, because they already have, you want to have built something that does not require their cooperation to survive.

Lesson 3: Owning Your Overhead Changes the Game

When Clifton's practice outgrew rented space, he and two colleagues made a move that most therapists never consider: they bought a building together. It sounds like a big leap, but the reasoning was practical and clear. When you rent, the landlord has no incentive to hold costs down. You absorb maintenance increases, tax increases, and market-rate rent escalations every year because that is how triple net leases work. You are funding someone else's asset while your own expenses grow in a direction you cannot control.

Buying meant they controlled their costs. They controlled what happened to the space. They were no longer at the mercy of a landlord's priorities. And unlike the insurance situation, where the rules could be changed on them unilaterally, ownership gave them a degree of stability they had not had before.

When COVID came, and the governor of Texas required everyone to work from home, Clifton's practice made a decision that many practices faced: they surveyed their clients about whether to return to in-person when things opened back up. The clients overwhelmingly said they preferred to stay online. So Clifton and his wife sold the building and moved fully virtual. The building was not a trap; it was an asset they could exit on their terms. That is a very different position than being locked into a lease you cannot afford to break.

The takeaway:Control over your overhead is control over your future. Whether that means owning your space, negotiating smarter leases, or building a practice model that does not require expensive physical infrastructure, you want the cost structure to serve the practice, not the other way around.

Lesson 4: COVID Did Not Ruin Private Practice; It Revealed What Was Possible

There is a version of the COVID story that is told as disaster. And for some practices, it genuinely was. But Clifton's three highest-earning years in his entire career were the three years of the pandemic. That deserves some examination, because it did not happen by accident.

Before COVID, Clifton had already done the training to deliver therapy via telehealth. He had taken a continuing education course on computer-based care, not because he planned to use it, but because it was available and he wanted the credential. When Texas closed offices in 2020, he was already trained and ready to go. The platform was set up. The competency was there. He did not have to scramble.

What he did have to fix was visibility. The old website was not doing the work it needed to do. That is when he and his wife found zynnyme and went through our training, including the work on keywords, SEO, and targeting the right clients. His site started ranking on the first page of Google in San Antonio for psychotherapy. The influx of clients looking for online therapy during COVID found him because he was findable. The preparation met the moment.

The lesson here is not that COVID was a gift. It is that the practitioners who came through that period with stronger practices had usually made investments in skills, in visibility, in flexibility, which positioned them to absorb a major disruption rather than be flattened by it.

The takeaway: You cannot predict the disruption, but you can build a practice that is resilient enough to survive one and maybe grow through it. Visibility, skills, and structural flexibility are not luxuries. They are infrastructure.

Lesson 5: Find Your Lane. Then Stay Sharp Enough to Adjust It

One of the more honest things Clifton said in the conversation was that his broad clinical range, his comfort working with all ages and diagnoses, felt like a strength at the time, but he now recognizes it as more of a mistake. When you can work with everyone, you tend to market to everyone. And when you market to everyone, your messaging connects with no one in particular.

The pivot to niching happened through lived experience, not theory. He worked with a family whose daughter had been in a relationship with someone with narcissistic personality disorder. The family, watching him explain the patterns of how narcissists operate in intimate relationships, said essentially: people do not know this. You need to write a book. He was dyslexic and had no intention of writing a book. But his wife, an English major and former teacher, helped him get it done. They revised it, added a second version for audiences without a religious framework, and now sell both on Amazon's print-on-demand platform.

That niche did not come from a spreadsheet or a marketing exercise. It came from the clinical work, from recognizing a pattern he understood deeply and that clients desperately needed help navigating. The SEO and website training gave it reach. The expertise was already there. And his advice to newer therapists is direct: figure out the kind of people you want to work with, get in that lane, and do not try to be all things to all people. It is advice he arrived at the long way around.

The takeaway:Niching is not about shrinking your practice. It is about making your expertise legible to the people who need exactly what you offer. You cannot attract the right clients if you are invisible to them.

Lesson 6: Isolation Is a Business Risk as Much as a Clinical One

Clifton named this one himself, and he named it as a mistake. Early in his private practice years, when things were busy and the caseload was full, he put his head down and worked. He was not getting out. He was not interacting with other therapists. And while the work was happening, something else was quietly atrophying: his connection to the professional community around him.

That isolation has a practical cost. Referral networks require relationships. Knowing what is happening in your field, what new approaches are gaining traction, and what regulatory changes are coming requires that you be in conversation with people who are paying attention. Clifton drew a line between his ability to adapt over fifty years and his training in systems theory, the practice of seeing patterns and anticipating what comes next. But you cannot see patterns in a vacuum. You need contact with the field to know what the field is doing.

This applies at every stage. The newer therapist who is heads-down in client hours and not attending any peer consultation or professional community is making the same mistake Clifton identified in himself. The mid-career therapist who has stopped going to trainings because they feel established is also making it. The antidote is not complicated: stay in contact with other therapists, show up to things, keep learning.

The takeaway:Professional community is not networking in the gross LinkedIn sense. It is how you stay calibrated, get referrals, find out what is changing, and avoid the kind of professional loneliness that burns people out of this field.

Lesson 7: Age Is Not the Obstacle. Invisibility Is

Kelly asked Clifton directly: “What do you say to someone in the latter half of their life who wonders if they are too old to start or rebuild a private practice?” His answer was immediate and a little funny: when his hair went gray, he started looking wise.

But underneath the humor is a real point. Clifton's cohort, baby boomers, is turning 70 at a rate of roughly a million people a day. That is a massive population with complex needs: grief over lost capacity and health, complicated family dynamics, the particular weight of later-life transitions. They are also, as he noted plainly, the people who can often afford to pay out of pocket for therapy. His age did not hurt his practice. In many ways, it positioned him for the clients he was best suited to serve.

What would have hurt his practice is staying invisible. Clifton and his wife, in their seventies, learned SEO. They learned how to write for the web. They figured out keywords and how to structure a site that Google would actually surface. That is not a young person's trick. It is a learnable skill, and they learned it. The website now ranks on the first page. That happened because they decided that selling change, which is what Clifton says therapists do, also applies to themselves.

The takeaway:Your experience is an asset. Your age can be an asset. What you cannot afford is to be unfindable. The investment in visibility is available to you regardless of where you are in your career.

Bonus Lesson: Keep Two Clean Buckets If You Add Coaching

As Clifton moves into semi-retirement, he has added supervision and coaching alongside his reduced therapy caseload. He was careful and intentional about this: therapy and coaching have to be two completely separate businesses. Not separated in your head. Separate businesses.

This matters for liability, for ethics, and for client clarity. When you are a licensed psychotherapist, your scope, your duty of care, your documentation requirements, and your ethical obligations are specific and regulated. Coaching operates in a different space, with different contracts, different expectations, and a different client population. Clifton described his coaching work as serving healthy people who want to communicate better, a more goal-oriented, shorter-term, practical engagement. That is genuinely different from psychotherapy, and the two cannot bleed into each other.

If you are a therapist thinking about coaching as an additional revenue stream or a way to serve people who are not clinical clients, the structure has to be clean. Different intake process, different contract, different business entity if possible. Clifton has been doing this long enough to know exactly where that line is. If you are newer to it, get consultation before you build it out.

The takeaway:Adding coaching to a therapy practice is possible and potentially a great fit for some practitioners. But it requires intentional structural separation, not just a different conversation style.

Ready to Build a Practice That Actually Works for Your Life?

Clifton built a practice that ran for decades, survived HMOs, outlasted insurance panels, came through COVID stronger than before, and eventually gave him a semi-retirement that still includes the work he actually loves. None of that happened because he had a perfect plan on day one. It happened because he kept adapting, stayed visible, and was willing to learn what the next version of his practice needed.

We work with therapists at every stage of that journey. Whether you are figuring out your niche for the first time, trying to get off insurance panels without losing your income, or just trying to make your website actually show up when someone searches for a therapist in your city, that is the work we do together.

For more support, resources, and real talk about building a sustainable private practice, head to zynnyme.com or listen to more episodes of Starting a Counseling Practice Success Stories.

Key Takeaways for Therapists

  • The detour is often the education; a delayed start is not a failed start. 
  • Insurance companies will change the terms on you. Build toward independence from panels, not deeper dependency on them.
  • Controlling your overhead, whether through ownership, smart leasing, or a low-overhead virtual model, gives you options when things shift.
  • Resilience is built before the disruption hits. Visibility, skills, and structural flexibility are not extras; they are the practice itself.
  • Niching is not about shrinking. It is about being legible to the clients who need exactly what you offer.
  • Professional isolation is a business risk. Stay connected to your field.
  • Age is not the obstacle. Invisibility is. Visibility is a learnable skill at any stage of career.
  • If you add coaching to a therapy practice, keep the structures genuinely separate.

Resources:

Miranda Palmer

I have successfully built a cash pay psychotherapy practice from scratch on a shoestring budget. I have also failed a licensed exam by 1 point (only to have the licensing board send me a letter months later saying I passed), started an online study group to ease my own isolation and have now reached thousands of therapists across the country, helped other therapists market their psychotherapy practices, and helped awesome business owners move from close to closing their doors, to being profitable in less than 6 weeks. I've failed at launching online programs. I've had wild success at launching online programs. I've made mistakes in private practice I've taught others how to avoid my mistakes. You can do this. You were called to this work. Now- go do it! Find some help or inspiration as you need it- but do the work!

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