When I first met Mia, I knew instantly things were going to grow for her, and grow quickly. Newly licensed she built a practice fast, has added interns and has a speciality. And now...she's adding another stream of income. Check it out!
Kelly: Hey, guys. Welcome to the podcast. Today, we’re going through another real-life story with Mia Quaglia, licensed clinical social worker in California and she’s joined by her dog, Benny, too today and he’s behind to her left. Thanks for doing this with me, Mia.
Mia: Oh, thank you so much, Kelly, for having me on your wonderful podcast and Benny, yeah. He’s a great addition but he’s still 7 months old so you’re never quite sure what’s going to happen with him.
Kelly: So he might have something to add and that’s totally fine.
Mia: Yeah. Well, you know, I am his mother so I did teach him, I guess.
Kelly: That’s true. I know you guys can’t see Mia, but she has just the best smile ever and laughs, that’s why I really like being around her. She’s such a positive energy so I’m hoping you guys will feel that today as we go through her story. I’ve known you a couple of years now, I think, yeah?
Mia: A couple of years. I went to the very first MAC and you were the one that I got to sit down with and told me how to do the A through Z of getting my practice done, and it was just amazing and there’s been so many good things since then.
Kelly: So let’s talk about before practice. What were you doing?
Mia: That was a really good question right off the bat. What was I doing before my practice? Well, I was working at Golden Valley Health Centers, which is a center for lower socioeconomic class. I decided to leave my job at the college for about two-and-a-half years because I started working there about 3 weeks after I graduated and I kind of never felt like between that and working at a psychiatrist office and you know, in private practice, I never kind of felt like I had given back to the community in a social work way so I decided that I would leave there, work at Golden Valley Health Centers, which was probably the hardest thing that I ever did in my life but the most rewarding but I got crispy so that was kind of a bad thing.
Kelly: Yeah. I hear that a lot from social workers, right, like I got into this to work with the underserved – yeah, but the way it went, the kind of environments in which we do that often are the ones that can burn us the fastest.
Mia: I really did, you know. There were days that I was seeing 13 clients a day.
Kelly: How’d you know you were burned out like what were your signs if you don’t mind me asking?
Mia: No, yeah. I really think that that’s such a good important thing. I literally got to the point where I just couldn’t – I was getting sick often. It was really interesting. My body was trying to tell me things too. I had to have my gallbladder out during that time. I had to have hysterectomy out during that time.
Kelly: It’s a major surgery. Wait. Benny is going nuts or something because all I hear is “Crrk, crrk.”
Mia: Benny. Benny, he sees a cord and --
Kelly: Well, if it’s better to do without it, we can.
Kelly: If it’s better to do it without it, we can.
Mia: No, it’s fine.
Kelly: Okay. The signs you were burned out, what were they?
Mia: Just overly tired, having to have two surgeries in a matter of two-and-a-half years, that’s crazy.
Mia: It was affecting my ability to be able to function in an appropriate way and then just the idea that I was a lot -- I think I was like actually kind of going in depression. I was really tearful in a way. I think I was just darn tired.
Kelly: It’s work and most of it’s exhaustion. Yeah.
Mia: But literally, l had to take 6 months off, Kelly, and I probably would have taken a year off, but they called me to teach a class in Modesto, and so I kind of felt like, “Okay, I'll go help” because it was like at the last minute. Yeah, I was just tired.
Kelly: When’s the moment that you decide or is there a moment? I don't know. How did it happen that you were like, “I'm going to go into private practice”?
Mia: So divorce. Divorce happened. I hadn't passed my test. I took the test 3 times; I didn't pass the first 2 times by 1 point.
Kelly: Welcome to the 1 Point Club. We should have a support group.
Mia: The one-ers.
Kelly: Miranda’s like, “I failed by 1 point” then I got notified that I didn’t --
Kelly: I never got that notification.
Mia: So you go with your bad self. Guess what? The rest of us had to wait.
Kelly: That’s tough.
Mia: Yeah. So I was taking the exam but there was a lot of pressure on passing so when that pressure got taken away, I just went and took the exam without studying. I went and didn’t pass. Boom! nothing.
Kelly: So you took it after you had separated? Is that what you’re saying?
Mia: Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I knew that we were going through a divorce and yes, that’s how I decided to do it because -- how do I say it? I was intelligent about the choices that I made before our marital settlement agreement was done as you can’t show a lot of income. You can’t show a lot of what you’re capable of doing. So the key was the mastermind about having -- ever heard of a Gavron warning?
Mia: So this is a really good thing to know. If your spouse decides that you’re not working to your full potential it’s a really old kind of thing. They can put a Gavron warning on your marital settlement agreement, meaning that at any time they feel you know, the adversary feels that you are not working to your full potential that he or she can take you back to court to -- well because I have lifetime alimony.
Mia: As long as either one of us don’t pass or he doesn’t lose his job or I don’t get married. So if he ever feels like I’m not working to my full potential he can take me back to court and push me into doing that.
Kelly: So for those that are listening that don’t know you, I mean, this divorce is a big part of your story and it is also a big part of your work now.
Mia: It is. It is definitely.
Kelly: And I think that is common that our stories become part of our art and our craft.
Mia: Which I never would have thought.
Kelly: Really? Well, when I first met you, you're really focused on play therapy, right?
Mia: Yeah. I worked with children. That’s all I really have done.
Mia: And that’s all I really had done was working with the child psychiatrists and you know, of course, when you work with children you work with families and such but I’ve worked with some children and believe in advocating for children and I still do. I still do see them in my practice but I happen to have an intern which therefore, I don’t have to see as many. I have trained you know, give her some because she didn’t have a lot of experience so I want her to have that experience.
Kelly: That’s great.
Mia: But yeah. This has evolved you know, the idea of using your life story to be able to help other people. When I was teaching at Modesto, one of my students says, “Hey Miss Q.” I was like, “Hey, what's up?” She was like, “Hey, do you think that you're like going through your divorce so that maybe you can help people in the future?” And I was like, wow. I don’t even know how to answer that.
Kelly: Can I get back to you in five years?
Mia: I was like, “Oh, I don't know because this is all too new.” I said I was like in survival mode.
Kelly: Okay. Let’s go back a little bit. You’re going through the divorce. You pass your exams.
Mia: Yes. I didn’t pass my exam until after our marital settlement agreement was done.
Kelly: Okay and then you passed, but why private practice? Because you could have gotten another job working for a psychiatrist and just staying in that practice like working for someone else but in a less taxing environment. Why private practice for you?
Mia: Because I think I have a need to have autonomy and I think that I was taught well by the people that I worked with whether it be mentored or was around that I had the ability. You know what? Therapy wasn’t my first career. “Good morning. Thank you for calling…” so I was a receptionist and I was a secretary and I was a paralegal. I’ve been active in so many different jobs that I have a lot of -- my skill set is large so I felt confident to be able to run a business. But I was more the autonomy and being able to do it and Kelly, in honesty, I think I needed to have that. I needed to know that I could stand on my own two feet.
Kelly: Right. Kind of to be empowered after something that was so difficult.
Mia: Yeah, and that time I met my boyfriend. I met him because again, we separated the 13th, divorced December 31, 2015. I met my boyfriend September, 2014 and he was like, “Mia, you know. You have this wonderful degree. Why don’t you use it to your full potential?” At first I was kind of distorted. I was kind of like, “Okay, that’s rude” but he was very encouraging when I had passed my exam. He didn’t really understand it so much but he was like, “Okay. What do you want to do?” and I was like, “I think I want to do private practice.” And I said if I’m supposed to do it I’m going to find two offices side by side and either this office complex or this office complex which are right across the street from each other and there were two offices there for me.
Kelly: Why that?
Mia: Why that office?
Kelly: Well, yeah. Like why if this is meant to be it’ll be these two offices. Why two?
Mia: Two offices side by side? Because one was a play therapy room.
Kelly: Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Awesome. So when you first got started, what really helped you learn the ropes because there’s a lot to take in. What kind of helped you with that? What were some things that were important for you?
Mia: Without a doubt, I would not be where I am, I’d be as far as I am. You know, I’ve had my operation now for a year and a half which is crazy, but I wouldn’t be where I am if it wasn’t for MAC, MAC and the tribe that surrounds me, because of that, priceless.
Mia: I’d never ever be where I am in so many different ways without that.
Kelly: So for people that don’t know what MAC is, that’s Most Awesome Conference. Mia was in the first one, our first round of it.
Mia: So literally, I passed my exam in April.
Kelly: That’s right. I didn’t recall this now.
Mia: And I remember talking and Miranda was like, “I think I want to come” and she goes, “So basically I know we’re not going to stop you so I guess you better pack your bags.”
Kelly: Yeah. You know, that is something too I will say about your personality and the way you approach things and when -- everybody has their own path, their own way of doing it and with your personality you are very much like, “sees the day” kind of person. In my experience, I am not surprised you are where you are at all. I told you that the first time we met and I guess this is going to take off pretty easily.
Mia: Yeah. That was like, okay.
Kelly: It was like, “No, no. I don’t know how to put this column on my website” and like that’s the least of your problems.
Mia: I didn’t care about the website. I’m not doing it.
Kelly: Yeah, so you’re a go-getter and some people kind of have a different pacing and that’s fine as well, but you have kind of an energy about you that is, I don’t know, just sees the day, carpe diem.
Mia: It is, it is. I mean, that’s pretty much all the way it is. Once I have it, you know, I used to say, once I’ve got something stuck in my crawl, I run with it.
Mia: As long as it makes sense.
Kelly: So when you started the private practice, when you thought like big picture, what were some of the things you envisioned?
Mia: That it was going to be comfortable, that I wanted it to be -- after I was told how much I was going to be charging by Ms. Kelly here, I was like, “Huh?” I said okay. Well, I would like to have an office that makes and have people be comfortable, have them not feel like why am I paying the amount that I am? That I wanted it to just be an all-around, welcoming place as not so therapeutic, not medical-modeled, just a place where people could feel comfortable to come in and find their space.
Kelly: Lovely. Did you imagine taking on an intern in all these? Or did that come later?
Mia: My intern, Myra, is also my goddaughter’s mom, and so I met her when I was an academic counselor at the college and she just worked at a restaurant that ex-husband and I used to go to often as a waitress. I kind of adopted a lot of the waitresses that worked there and kind of helped them through their careers. The owner secretly says, “Do you realize you’re killing me?” He loved the idea that they were going to move on to bigger and better things. But she was going to be a nurse when I met her and she couldn’t handle blood and so I said, “Okay. That probably isn’t the greatest career path for you” and so therefore, she fell in love with her Sociology Class and her Psychology Class and pretty much the rest is history. She got done and she’s my intern and she’s amazing. It has nothing to do with the fact that you know, we’re practically related now, you know, closer than it is. She at her first year at the hospital locally got Employee of the Year.
Mia: That just doesn’t happen. So I just feel really happy that you know, I get to have her in my office. She’s amazing.
Kelly: When you opened your practice were you like, “I’m going to have interns, I’m going to have other clients -- was that even in your mind?
Kelly: So I want to just think like this because sometimes things do just come together.
Mia: Not sometimes. I would say my story just needs a vision and putting the energy the good energy out there.
Kelly: Well, you put work into it. This isn’t just like, Oh, it came together, but I think sometimes, for example, I remember thinking, “Oh, I want -- I’m going to have a clinic.” Oh, it’s so bloody. And now I’m like, “Oh, no. You know, like I’m good, just me and myself” or whatever. That could come, who knows? That vision could come around again. I think part of the work, the energy you put towards as being open to considering other ideas and possibilities, that flexibility aspect. While you’re very focused, there’s an element of flexibility I think that’s in there.
Mia: Well, the flexibility but also for my mind, you know, when you go from a two-income family to yourself, I needed to have that stability for a while. I needed to have the other job so I was still teaching for a period of time and then I was still working in a psychiatrist office for a period of time so I just finished, I quit -- gosh. What month was it? December? November? Oh, October, probably October, I left.
Kelly: So okay keeping the other jobs. It was out of just kind of getting used to or having your business replicate some revenues first and show consistency so you felt secure?
Mia: I honestly think it was for myself. I think I come from a family of, we're all safe. You know, we're more of the idea of being safe. We're not chance takers. So when I went to my father and said, “I’m going to start my private practice” he was like, “What do you need or how can I help?”, but it was kind of very foreign because we don't do those things. I am the first person in my family to graduate from college so this is you know, that's new also, but at the same time I needed it for myself because you know when you go from having somebody handling all of the financials literally, I didn't get my checkbook back until probably 3 months until we were divorced. And it was, I’d say, this is a funny story, it’s not funny. It’s kind of sad but it’s funny all at the same time. So I bought my first car myself and when the guy said, “Hey, so can you tell me how much you make?” You know, I didn’t know what that was. I had to get on the mobile thing and find out what was deposited into my account because here I was with my three jobs but I never knew what they actually were paid.
Kelly: Because you weren’t involved in that.
Mia: I wasn’t involved in it and I think I was more at one time but once I got into education, that was like the least of my worries, and my ex-husband was very good at that and I trusted him so it was really easy to just let him do it.
Kelly: Sure. So let’s talk about then some of the adjustments. Like what has been hard about building the practice like I can imagine that is an aspect of relearning or taking on some new roles that you traditionally hadn’t had before.
Mia: There was a lot, Kelly, when you think about it, you know. I have about 20 bills that I pay every month on the average.
Kelly: Oh, gosh. I don’t count mine. I can’t imagine.
Mia: Well, 20 major ones, 20 big ones. How’s that?
Kelly: Okay, yeah.
Mia: I went from you know, not worrying about how to make a house payment, rent for my office. I mean, you just think about all those different things. And now it’s almost like a game. It’s like trying to figure out the puzzle pieces. It’s like, okay. As weird as it sounds, it’s kind of fun. It’s kind of fun where it’s like, “Oh, okay. Well, I guess I need to figure out how I’m going to make X amount of dollars to pay taxes” or “I need to figure out how I’m going to make X amount of dollars to cover this.” I mean, at first, I was like, “Okay, this is a little overwhelming” but I just kind of made it kind of a game in my head. And when I had that steady income for a while, at least I knew I had that, but once I saw in my private practice that I was reaching -- the first month that I was making what, $3,000 more than I had made in the other month, I let myself do that for one additional month and I was like, “It’s time to leave the other job.” I was super tired. I could see that I was working myself too much and there wasn’t a reason. It was actually, and I’m not actually sure whose words it was at MAC, but I remember it was like, “You need to work, you need to make that money so you don’t have to you know, get the money that you deserve so you don’t have to work so many hours.” Then when I actually played it out I’m like, “This is dumb. I need to do this.”
Kelly: Yeah, I think it’s a common situation. I know when I left the county it was just sort of this like, I actually wasn’t getting paid, but I held my position there on my maternity leave extra-long, just in case. I didn’t even know why, but just out of that like is this really happening? Is this really going to stick you know, just security in some regards.
Mia: So you know, it’s so interesting when you said that, and I thought to myself, “Wow. I wonder if I would have started my private practice when I was still technically married what that would have looked.” I mean, I think, honestly, at this point, I kind of feel like I can survive anything as weird as that sounds, but when you're married as long as I was married, when you’re with somebody for that long I don't think we ever planned on getting divorced. Hopefully, you don't get married if you think you're going to divorce that person, but I kind of feel like it would have been a lot different. And now I have so much more confidence in my abilities, in so many different ways. I love it. I love that I have the independence. I’ve always been independent you know. I know you could tell that, but it’s a different way.
Kelly: Yeah, I can. So if someone was coming to you saying, “I’m thinking about starting a practice” what would you tell them?
Mia: I would say you need to surround yourself with people that you can trust and do research and find out what your skill set is. What kind of experience do you have before you come through grad school? What other things have you learned? What other things have you been exposed to? What is it that you are missing? Whatever it is that you’re missing, there’s probably others that can either help you with that or you can hire a person to do that. So for instance when I was at the Most Awesome Conference, the website was really important. I just knew I was like, “I’m going to have somebody else do my website. It’s not going to happen.” Miranda was like, “Mia, you can do it.” I know I could have done it, but that wasn’t my need, you know. That was not what I wanted to do. I'm really glad that she’s a lead to me, that I could do it but I ended up hiring somebody and I actually have another website since then and somebody just yesterday goes, “I love your website. We want to come see you because we just fell in love your website.” I was like, “Oh, my gosh. Somebody’s looking at my website in Merced, this is so cool.
Kelly: Oh, gosh. If you could see the iterations of my websites, you know. That’s the other thing. It’s like things change and it’s a good thing and it just keeps getting better. You know, I think that’s great advice, especially around surrounding yourself with people that are positive. I think knowing, I know some of the people in your community and that you surround yourself with and they are all not just believers that it’s possible to be very successful in private practice or in any kind of mental health industry but they also behave in a way, they take action in a way that demonstrates that belief. You know what I’m saying? It’s not just names on their Facebook wall but it’s also they walk their talk. I think that that is good to be around other people who are taking action.
Mia: You know, if you have role models in a sense you know, I’m not the youngest person in the world even though sometimes people don’t realize that but I’m not the youngest person in the world so I’ve kind of had life experience so I’m able to use that life experience as well as looking and honoring what other people are doing and almost looking at them saying, “Oh, well. I’m going to do the same things in some ways or maybe I’m going to change something in another way but without a doubt, my tribe is amazing.
Kelly: So let’s talk about moving from play therapy to Divorce and Thrive.
Kelly: I want to hear that story because you know this because you’re also, I think you’re in bootcamp, as well. You know people come in and like, “What’s my niche?” and then like, “What if I need to change it?” Well, you guys. Here’s Mia who had one niche and now added another.
Mia: Yeah. Right.
Kelly: So let’s talk about that. Like how do you go from play therapist, child expert to –
Mia: Well, you know, I never want to not use you know, work with the children. I've always been an advocate for women being able to stand on their own two feet, being able to educate themselves or do what they need to do because of the fact that I watched my mom not having the skill set that she needed after divorcing my father, and so there was a lot of things that I learned from that, you know, having your own credit, having an education just to be able to support yourself. Saying all of that, I wanted to be able to help women be able to get through the situation that I went through as well, and I feel like maybe there isn't -- I shouldn't say that there isn't. I just want to be involved in being able to help others with what I know and what I've experienced firsthand.
Kelly: When did that come to mind of like giving yourself permission to do that because this has been part of your story since I've known you, but you weren't focused on it in your practice.
Mia: No, I really wasn't. For a while I think I wanted to hide it. I think I didn't want to hide that I was getting divorced, but I think I was going through the process.
Kelly: You were not healed per se, yeah.
Mia: I didn’t heal until like October, and I think that there are still days, you know, I'm still living in the same home. I’ve redesigned it, but I still live in the same home so you’re still going to have those memories. Thank goodness, it was a good marriage and there’s a lot of more, definitely the good outweighs the bad, but I want to be able to help others and I never would have thought. If you would have said, “Mia, are you ever going to do this?” I would have said, “Heck, no.” No. And I wouldn’t have wanted to do an interview about marriage. You know, I can remember people wanted -- no. No, thank you. I’m good. But again, I’m not against marriage. It’s just the idea I believe in marriage. I truly do. I believe in the idea of people being married and having that bond, but that’s not where I was for a really long time. I mean, I always have been there but not the idea of being able to talk about it and definitely be able to develop something that would help others.
Kelly: So let’s talk about how you help people. You do want one-on-one work in your office.
Mia: I do. I do virtual one-on-one and I very much enjoy that.
Kelly: Oh, you’re doing virtual too?
Mia: I am. So I’m actually doing more virtual work on Divorce and Thrive than I am in my office. So that’s very cool.
Kelly: Those of you that can’t see my face no one can see my face. I’m just nodding and smiling. That’s great. I love it. So you’ve got virtual -- wait. Are you still seeing kids in the office?
Mia: I don't see as many children as I used to because I provide those to my intern.
Kelly: And then you have your intern who’s doing stuff and then you’re doing virtual. Are you doing therapy? Are you doing coaching?
Mia: Coaching? Divorce and Thrive is coaching and I have been known to do therapy online as needed. But yeah, so I have -- I don’t want to say I have it all but I do have it all. That it was one of those things that just kind of evolved. It was not one of those things that was like, “Okay, so now I’m going to…” you know. It was kind of out of necessity and then yeah. That’s how it kind of worked out.
Kelly: So with Divorce and Thrive you’re doing one-on-one. What other kinds of things are you doing with it right now or have planned?
Mia: Oh, Kelly. I’m so excited. I have this wonderful plan that’s coming about and every day I get one more puzzle piece and so it’s just like, Oh, it’s so exciting. So I am building the Divorce and Thrive Academy.
Kelly: Cool. I don’t know this, guys, so this is the first time I heard it. Cool.
Mia: You know, because I’ve never said it out loud really. There are very few people. People that I’m working with are the only ones that know.
Mia: Divorce and Thrive Academy is going to be a set of videos as well as live interaction with myself and worksheets and then it’s going to be working into -- step up into one-on-ones as well as like VIP where there's going to be other things that are going to be offered as well.
Kelly: So it's basically an online support and tool academy to help with going through divorce and then you can get more and more one-on-one services with you.
Mia: Yes, and it’s 8 weeks and I will say that it started out to be a zippy course. Then I sat down with myself and I said, “Self, do you remember when you were going through your divorce and you couldn’t even read a magazine to keep your brain focused enough? So what do you think you're doing?” And so I decided that I was going to do -- so Ernesto and I are getting together and we’re going -- he’s going to do my videos.
Mia: And he's going to build -- I do have a website that’s almost complete as well, but we’re just putting all the little -- since I’m coming up with all this stuff that’s going to feed on that, I think that I’m in shock in all honesty when I think about, “Well, I’ve a website and well I'm going to have this” and you know, because a lot of times it doesn't really come out of my brain that this is how. This is only evolving. Something that was maybe embarrassing as a failure is going to turn into an amazing, hopefully can help other people.
Kelly: That’s beautiful. Congratulations.
Mia: Thank you. Appreciate that.
Kelly: And this has all been in the past couple of years.
Mia: Yeah, in the last year-and-a-half. Yeah. Last year-and-a-half I passed my board exam. I went to the Most Awesome Conference. I started my corporation. I've seen clients. I quit my jobs, the other jobs that I needed for my support and I’ve now started Divorce and Thrive.
Kelly: If that’s not inspiring, I don't know what is.
Mia: And I support myself which is amazing. You know, of course, I have my support of my tribe and friends and family but financially --
Kelly: That's a big deal because I hear it a lot. I'm a single mom. I’m divorced or I'm just single like how can I do this?
Mia: Hey, we’re going to count Benny. I’m just kidding.
Kelly: Yeah. He’s very helpful in the income department, right now.
Mia: He’s expensive. He’s looking at me like, “You talking to me?”
Kelly: Yes, I'm talking about you.
Mia: He’s expensive.
Kelly: Yeah. I’m hoping people are also hearing that from you is that that it can be done.
Mia: Well, you know, adversity there's that idea that you can let it take you down or you can’t become more empowered or resonate your power that you’ve always had. That depends on how you want to look at it. Prior to October, I gave myself about two days to how do I want to say -- to heal or to basically grieve my relationship but I attended a conference with Jo Muirhead in October, you know, in San Francisco and it was called this -- the part of it was being on the hot seat so yeah. I don't even know where that came from but we basically found out that I hadn't given myself time to grieve my 27-year relationship. And so I cried for four straight hours, and I didn't make it to dinner that night and I had sourdough toast in a banana split for dinner and the next day, I went back to the conference, and I hadn’t really shed a tear about it since. It was just really exactly what I needed.
Kelly: Very cathartic. Jo just got rid of bad stuff, for those of you that know her.
Mia: Jo, Jo. Had us all poor baby. She was just like, “But am I going to be able to put it back together?” Definitely got in there.
Kelly: Good. So people if want to check you out, if they want to say hello, how can they find you?
Mia: Well, my website should be very close. It should be days away. It's divorceanddrive.com. You can reach me by email at firstname.lastname@example.org. Also my website for my counseling is counselingmerced.com and let’s see. That's about it. I'm in Psychology Today which is how I get a lot of my business here in my little town of Merced which is so funny because you know, when we went to the Most Awesome Conference meeting so many people from so many places, I’m like, “I’m from a little country town.”
Kelly: Miranda was from that little county town.
Mia: Yes, she once lived in a county town, too.
Kelly: You weren’t alone.
Mia: I was not alone at all.
Kelly: Mia, thank you for sharing your story. I really appreciate it and I was so glad because I asked. I asked people like, “Who wants to share their story?” and you volunteered and I was excited because I knew like there are other people that are going through serious relationship changes, just a lot of the stuff that you hit on that I know will be blessed by just hearing what you have to say so thank you. And I'm excited to hear how Divorce and Thrive does.
Mia: Well, thank you for the opportunity for coming and talking today and thank you so much for being part of my tribe and helping me be where I am today, for the support and the advice that you and Miranda and all my other tribe is always giving me. I really appreciate it very much, and I do honor the fact that I would never be where I am right now without it.
Mia: Without a doubt.
Kelly: Thank you.
Mia shows us how things build upon each other, how our stories influence our business and how when we let ourselves show up in our work, success happens.